*************************************************** RANELAGH HARRIERS E-NEWS # 355 7 July 2011 Editor: Steve Rowland mailto: firstname.lastname@example.org *************************************************** HEADLINE NEWS ************* * Nick Torry (Serpentine) and Lucy MacAlister (Thames H&H) lead the way in a successful Ranelagh Richmond 10km * Peter Haarer and Marie Synnott-Wells are the first finishers for Ranelagh * Chris Owens wins British M55 Triathlon Championship * parkrun placings for Amelie Hunton, Jo Sinton-Hewitt, Mark Herbert, Sean Paynter and Michelle Davies * Coad Cup 5 miles handicap next Tuesday (12th July) * Annual General Meeting follows the Coad Cup in the clubhouse SEE HERE ******** COAD CUP and ANNUAL GENERAL MEETING Tuesday 12th July Next Tuesday sees our annual summer 5 miles handicap race in Richmond Park for the Coad Cup, starting at 7pm, followed by our AGM in the clubhouse. All members are welcome to both events. The agenda for the AGM should be e-mailed to you in the next day or two. RANELAGH ROAD GRAND PRIX The Richmond 10km was the sixth event of the ten that make up our 2011 Road GP. The current leader board looks like this: Open: Duncan Mallison 44, Trevor Maguire 38, Chris Bundhun 34, Bill Neely 33, Marie Synnott-Wells 27, Martin Halvey 18 Men Over 40: Trevor Maguire 23, Colin Brett 14, Simon Burrell 13 Men Over 50: Bill Neely 21, Martin Halvey 11, John Ricketts 11 Women: Marie Synnott-Wells 30, Wiebke Kortum 7, Heather Martingell 6 Women Over 40: Marie Synnott-Wells 30, Heather Martingell 10, Wiebke Kortum 9 Women Over 50: Penny Merrett 20, Sally Bamford 12, Michele Gibson 10 The full scoreboard is here:. The next event is the Elmore 7 miles on Saturday 16th July Details:, followed by the Elmbridge 10km on Sunday 24th July Details:, the always popular Wedding Day 7km in Bushy Park on Friday Details: and finally the Perseverance Wimbledon 5km Details: . WORLD CLASS ATHLETICS Missed out on Olympic tickets? There's plenty still for sale for the Aviva London Grand Prix at Crystal Palace on Friday 5th and Saturday 6th August this year. A few Ranelagh usually meet up there on the Friday evening. Contact the e-news editor if you're interested in joining us. SWLAN NEWS Kate Brook writes: The fourth Kingston AC & Polytechnic Harriers with SW London Athletics Network talk takes place on Monday July 18th at 7.30pm at the Pure Sports Medicine Clinic, David Lloyd Leisure, Bushey Road, Raynes Park, London SW20 8TE. It will be open from 7pm, the main talk is from 7.30 until about 8.30, questions until 9pm, and informal discussion in the bar thereafter. Cost: free! The speaker is Rowan Johnson: 'More people are realising that results in sport depend crucially on the ability to use your mind effectively. Certainly many elite athletes say that the mental aspect of sport makes the difference between being a champion or not. In this session, we will explore what mental performance coaching is and how it will help, as well as sharing some simple tools and techniques around raising performance.' More details: JOGLE This comes from James Flood at the Stragglers: "As some of you may know already, between the 17th - 23rd July, to celebrate the 30th anniversary of the Stragglers Running Club, 20 Stragglers are running in a continuous 24 hour relay from John O'Groats to Lands End over a route of just over 1,000 miles. While this had seemed an age away for such a long time, time has crept up on us and it is somewhat daunting to think that we are shortly going to be severely sleep deprived and collectively giving ourselves severe jet lag without ever departing British summer time! Anyway, the reason for this message is partly to advertise the event amongst the running community, but also to garner some support locally. We have a website for the event (www.stragjogle.co.uk) from which you can locate our blog (which gives some additional information on the run, names and bios of each of the runners etc), our Facebook and Twitter accounts (please 'like' or 'follow' us if you are socially network inclined) and our fundraising website. We are mainly raising funds for Macmillan Cancer (70% of funds raised through the website) with the remaining 30% split equally between the YMCA London South West and the National Centre for Young People with Epilepsy. 100% of all funds raised will go to the charities - the runners are fully funding the cost of the run themselves. The reason for choosing Macmillan for most of the fundraising is because when I made initial enquiries amongst the Stragglers to see if there would be sufficient interest in raising a team to run the event, Louise Neville (who some of you may know) immediately responded that she'd love to run. Since then, Louise has had to pull out of the event as she discovered last October that she had cancer and has been through extensive chemotherapy treatment in the last 9 months. Happily she is now in remission, but not well enough to run a distance event such as JOGLE. Macmillan nurses supported Louise throughout her treatment and she asked if we could raise funds for Macmillan on her behalf. Any support that you are able to provide whether through a donation through our fundraising website, by SMS to 70070 with the message 'STRA66£1' or simply by following our Facebook, blog and Twitter accounts all of which can be accessed through our event website (www.stragjogle.co.uk) will be very much appreciated by all of the team. I can't vouch for the journalistic quality of the output from our online mutterings, but if you're an insomniac in need of knowing about others suffering nipple soreness at 3am through Runcorn, then ours is the site for you to follow between 17 - 23 July......!! Thanks in advance for all of your interest and support." TAKE CARE The Met Police in Richmond have issued the following press release: "Police are urging residents to be vigilant after two women reported being grabbed by a man and a third reported that a man attempted to grab her. Additional police officers have been drafted in to patrol the borough, as the incidents are investigated. The three incidents happened at various times on Saturday 4 June, Saturday 18 June and Sunday 19 June 2011. They happened near the river in Twickenham, Kew and Barnes. In the first two incidents a man grabbed the victims from behind. Both were able to free themselves and run off. In the third incident, a man jumped out from a bush and tried but failed to grab a woman who was wearing headphones while jogging. The man is described as being white, aged between 25 and 35, around 6ft tall, with short hair." CONGRATULATIONS... ...to Gareth Davies and Louise Reeder who were married last month. BAREFOOT RUNNING Anna Toombs of Barefoot Running UK writes: "We are holding a two day Foundation & Principles workshop in London on 13th and 14th August. The course will cover everything from anatomy and biomechanics to injuries and common mistakes. The course is for anyone wanting to enjoy their running practice more and there will be an emphasis on using barefoot running as a tool to enhance running technique and performance. Total cost is £180 and the venue is Bacon's College, Rotherhithe, London SE16 6AT. More details:. SUBSCRIPTIONS... ...for 2011-2012 are now overdue! Rates are: Seniors £40 Under 20 or Student £10 Family Membership £70 Retired and over 60 £20 Second Claim £20 Non-running member £10 Post your payment to Membership Secretary, Ranelagh Harriers, 135a Petersham Road, Richmond, Surrey TW10 7AA or leave it in an envelope at the clubhouse. If you have any queries please email the Membership Secretary email@example.com WHAT'S COMING ************* More details of the following from Marc Snaith (07717 213035 mailto ( firstname.lastname@example.org ) or Marie Synnott-Wells (07983 430264 (After 5pm Weekdays) Home: 020-8286 3530 / mailto email@example.com ) Tuesday 12th July Coad Cup summer 5 miles handicap in Richmond Park, followed by club AGM. Saturday 16th July Elmore 7 miles. 2pm start. Details: Sunday 24th July Elmbridge 10km. 9am start. Details: Friday 29th July Wedding Day 7km at Bushy Park. 7.30pm start. Details:. Sunday 14th August Perseverance Wimbledon 5km. 9.30am start. Details:. parkruns every Saturday at 9am Bushy Park Diana Fountain car park Richmond Park Richmond Gate Wimbledon Common Windmill car park Banstead Woods Car park off B2219 Park Lane, Chipstead Bedfont Lakes Bedfont Lakes Country Park, Ashford, Middlesex Kingston The Hawker Centre Old Deer Park Pools in the Park on the A316 Other venues, more details and registration at www.parkrun.com The 2km junior parkrun for under 15s takes place at 11am on the first Sunday of each month from Bushy Park's Teddington Gate. WHAT'S HAPPENED *************** RANELAGH RICHMOND 10km Sunday 19th June at Ham Race director Niall O'Connor's new course has found approval far and wide, with entries this year well over 700 of whom more than 580 finished. It's quality as well as quantity, however, and 40 runners were home in 35 minutes or faster. Last year's men's course record of 30.33 by Paul Martelletti survived intact but the women's mark of 36.30 was well beaten by Bristol and Thames's Lucy MacAlister who stopped the clock at 35.08. Here's part of the e-mail that Niall sent to all entrants: "We had a busy day and are glad all went smoothly. Temperature-wise conditions were excellent for running, however the blustery wind reduced the number of pb's recorded. Serpentine's Nick Torry bounced back from a 4th place finish last year to record a good 31:02 win. His 30 second improvement on 2010 deserved this comprehensive victory. John Gilbert of Kent AC was second in 31:25. The runner-up in the English half-marathon championship did well to build a 20+ second gap from AFD's quick-finishing Kevin Quinn. Incidentally in 74th place was the course designer, Marc Snaith (who doubles as Ranelagh club captain) who finished in 36:51, a few seconds ahead of VPH's Tim Grose who wrote on Eightlane that there was a 'very high standard again. I did 36:53 for only 75th'. Lucy MacAlister, runner-up in the Brighton marathon and representing our neighbours Thames Hare and Hounds led the ladies home in 35:07. 2 minutes behind was Lucie Custance of Clapham Chasers followed in 37:18 by Rosie Nicholson of Woking AC. Lucy's time broke the course record (set by Belgrave's Samantha Amend last year), on this the second occasion this course has been used. All the results can be accessed here:. We improved the race on 2010, namely additional marshals at required points, and we hope you received a text message with your finishing time (if you submitted your mobile number of course). We already have plans to improve the event in 2012 but we don't want the Olympic folks stealing our ideas so are keeping them under wraps for the time being. As a word of warning our race did sell out this year so be prepared to enter from next January for the race on 24th June 2012 - you've got a year to train to break that pb! Mick and Susie were on hand to capture photos of the day. Here is a link to their collection. They emailed a few weeks ago to ask if they could cover the event - but first checked with our resident club photographer to ensure that he wasn't doing so - for this act of consideration they deserve support. My favourite photo is of the start - no red faces and everyone looking fresh but nervous. We had some spot prizes for the 50th place finishers provided by our friends at the new physio clinic in Richmond, "Perserverence". Their website is www.perseverance.me and they can be contacted at 0208 6053900 or you can drop into them at 1 Sun Alley. Richard and Naomi assisted with the mug/mars/banana distribution and even took cardboard to the recycling point for us. Big thumbs up for them!" Unfortunately there were not too many Ranelaghs at the serious end of the proceedings this year. Mr Reliable Peter Haarer expressed some disappointment with his run but 33.10 was good enough for 11th overall and the first over 40 position. Peter wins the Flash Gardner trophy. Marc Snaith was our second finisher just inside 37 minutes and behind him there were personal bests by James Whistler and Duncan Mallison. Martin Halvey was not far off the prize list as 4th over 50 to finish, then came Trevor Maguire, Mark Herbert and Peter Faull all inside 39 minutes. Colin Brett followed, keeping just ahead of our first woman Marie Synnott-Wells. Marie was placed 14th in the women's race but second over 45. Kate Blakey was our second woman to finish, ahead of Sally Dell and Sonia Rowland, whose time of 46.54 takes her into 3rd place in the club's W55 ranking list. Wally Garrod's time of 57:55 moves him up to 16th place in the UK 10K Over 75 rankings for 2011. Congratulations to all finishers and many thanks to all those who volunteered their time to help make the race a success. Thanks also to Andy Hayward and Michele Gibson who organized an excellent barbecue back at the clubhouse afterwards. CHRIS BRASHER PONDS RUN Tuesday 5th July in Richmond Park We forsook our usual Tuesday night training schedules for our annual tribute to Olympic gold medallist, London Marathon founder and long-time Ranelagh member Chris Brasher. The idea is to visit every pond in Richmond Park, which was a favourite run of his - though with the authorities apparently digging new ponds on a regular basis that target has become rather a moving goal post. We divided into various groups and set off in heavy rain, though the downpour proved insufficient to transform two or three muddy depressions back into their supposed status of "pond". Clive Naish unerringly conducted his followers around 23 wet or dry "ponds", while other groups settled for two or three fewer. SOUTH DOWNS WAY MARATHON RELAY Sunday 11th June Slindon to Queen Elizabeth Country Park The Fullers Brewery branch of Ranelagh Harriers - Mike White, Mark Herbert, and Lee and Michelle Davies - performed very creditably to finish 21st. 1 Denmead Striders 2:42.38 21 Ranelagh Harriers 3:34.24 MIDSUMMER MUNRO HALF MARATHON Saturday 18th June at Dorking Simon Burrell reports: "'The hardest half' - a run for very hearty man fellows and lady fellows. Or as one participant put it 'The sentence is death, but first a little roo-roo!' Fourth time lucky for me on this magnificent course as I somehow managed to shave another 5 minutes off my course record. Only two Ranelagh runners made it this year - a surprise as it is consistently voted one of Britain's top races. Saying that, not a great surprise, as only the top 15 came in under 2 hours last year, so let's say it's a little hilly. The race benefits from the national anthem at the start, a bagpipe player in full regalia, Dr Rob in union jack shorts, jelly babies, a mug that changes colour when filled with tea, sandwiches, cake and a carrot at the finish! Unfortunately this is only available if you complete the five major ascents of Box Hill, then get turned round at the half way point and do it all again in reverse! My legs hurt a lot the next day but spare a though for the many truly brave (insane?) entrants that set off a couple of hours earlier on the Picnic marathon, effectively doing two laps of the same course - respect! Check out the YouTube video of the first finisher in just under 4 hours. Video." 1 J Clark 1:52.03 24 Simon Burrell 2:11.48 123 David Munt 2:49.49 DAMBUSTER TRIATHLON including BRITISH TRIATHLON CHAMPIONSHIPS Saturday 18th June at Rutland Water Chris Owens reports: "Triathlon (led by former elite runner Zara Hyde Peters) is the fastest growing sport in the UK. As one of those responsible for this statistic I found myself in a tent, in the rain, next to Rutland Water last Friday night. Camping suits the sport, which generally involves dressing up in rubber in the middle of the night (or just after) then hurling yourself into a lake in among all those non-toilet trained fish, and other things, to swim a distance that used to be quite a respectable track race, followed by a too long bike ride while soaking wet, before embarking on a 10k run on legs that normally are quite fed up by that time. However, it does feel good once you stop. As one of the 1,000 participants in the Dambuster Triathlon, this is a summary of my Saturday morning between 5am and 11am. At least the all-night rain had gone off by 5am, and the recent drought meant no mud. The overnight rain made Rutland Water rather chilly first thing, but I had a decent swim. Age group triathlon, unlike the stuff you see on TV, bans drafting on the bike (so unlike Stuart Hayes (ex-Ranelagh, and elite triathlete) to be seen competing in Kitzbuhel later that day) making the cycling a rather lonely plod, then you can get onto the good bit. This involved navigating round runners from previous 'waves' on pretty wobbly legs, but on smooth tracks and paths by the lakeside. As can be see from the overall results, there is plenty of room for me to improve, but this was a good enough performance to take both the age group result, and the British Championship (for very old geezers.....)'. 1500m swim, 40km bike, 10km run 1 B Howard (Durham Uni) 1:54.54 (19.23 / 1.02 / 61.58 / 0.36 / 31.55) 175 Chris Owens 2:21.44 (24.28 / 2.09 / 75.31 / 1.24 / 38.12) - 1st over 55 THAMES TURBO AQUATHLON Thursday 23rd June at Hampton Roger Wilson writes: "Some Ranelaghs competed in the Thames Turbo Aquathlon in Bushy Park and Hampton Pool yesterday. After years of running, this was Gill Wilson's first ever multisport event, and her first time in anything that resembled a swim race since school!". 5km run, 426m swim 1 P Smoothy (T Turbo) 24.23 (18.25 / 5.58) 6 David Rowe 26.36 (18.45 / 7.51) 60 Gill Wilson 36.01 (25.04 / 10.57) 62 Heather Martingell 36.36 (23.52 / 12.54) LAST FRIDAY OF THE MONTH 5km Friday 24th June in Hyde Park 1 T Alexander (Tamsel) 16.27 25 Mick Lane 18.35 124 Alan Davidson 22.28 221 John Hanscomb 33.54 ALETSCH HALF MARATHON Sunday 26th June Peter Fordham reports: "Quayle 'Ranelagh Queen of the Mountains' and Fordham 'Top Ranelagh Mountain Goat' at the Aletsch race in Switzerland. It's been quite a year so far, having donated my remaining cartilage and ligaments to the cause of the triumphant men's cross country season, I then ensured that the Ranelagh elite men would have to fight to the end to win the McLeod Trophy (and then Andy Woodhouse goes and wins it!). And so, it was now off to the alpine racing season, safe in the knowledge that having been invited to be part of 'the greatest show on earth' by Lord Coe, I had secured a prime seat for all the Olympic athletics events in front of the television. I have written and talked about the Aletsch Race before, but for a lot of Ranelagh members summer running is essentially about the highly addictive smell of burning rubber on tarmac. Not for me or Marina Quayle though (and Mr Quayle), it was off to the intoxicating fresh mountain air of the Swiss Alps to represent club and country: it starts at 2,000 metres and it's all basically up from there, and for the last 2k take your best 1km time and multiply it 4, 5 or even 6 if you're having a bad day! Nearly 2,000 of Europe's finest arrived for the 26th running of the event which starts at remote village of Bettmeralp, along mountain tracks, across the ridge above the longest glacier in Europe, before finishing just below the monolithic Bettmerhorn. The race was run in one the clearest skies and hottest days I have experienced in the mountains, and presented us with some spectacular views of the Matterhorn and other 4,000 metre peaks. I arrived at the finish in time to see Marina complete on her debut, and still smiling in a very creditable time. I mused over the ever increasing steepness of the mountains as the years go by. Any challenges to our titles, contact the 'Ranelagh Mountain Goat Committee'. Interested next year?: Race date 24th June - contact me 07799 072307 or visit www.aletsch-halbmarathon.ch Men 1 C Costa 1:32.40 (course record) 932 Peter Fordham 2:55.43 Women 1 J Karin 2:02.01 562 Marina Quayle 3:32.05 HAMMERSMITH RIVERSIDE 3.3 miles handicap Tuesday 28th June Alan Davidson reports: "Today at Hammersmith we had very dramatic weather involving deafening claps of thunder, forked lightning fizzing about and heavy rain. Fastest was Dave Cox (Woodford Green), also 5th Alan Davidson 24.02 and 9th Alan Howard 25.26." RAVENS QUARTERLY 5km Thursday 30th June at Wapping 1 C Beecham 16.52 19 Andy Bickerstaff 19.58 24 Alan Davidson 22.26 DIDCOT 5 miles Sunday 3rd July 1 D Jordan (Chelt) 27.15 9 David Rowe 30.01 KINGFIELD CANTER 2.85 miles handicap Wednesday 6th July at Woking 1 S Price (unatt) 25.44 (actual time 17.44) 9 Jim Forrest 26.47 (22.47) 15 Alan Davidson 27.11 (20.26) 21 Sonia Rowland 28.04 (21.34) 23 Steve Rowland 28.58 (23.13) EDINBURGH MARATHON Sunday 22nd May One more Ranelagh finisher... 5613 Lindsey Simmonds 4:21.34 KINGSTON 10km Sunday 5th June Phil Jackson was the first over 60 as reported in the last e-news, but John Hanscomb points out that he also ran and was the first (and only) over 70 in 70.24. RICHMOND parkrun 5km Saturday 18th June 1 J Murdoch (TVH) 16.11 20 Jerym Brunton 19.58 30 Stewart Anderson 20.33 51 Phil Jackson 22.28 88 Alan Davidson 24.27 125 Louise Davies 26.29 182 Peter Lowman 30.24 187 Bronwen Northmore 30.54 203 Stacey Barber 32.09 217 Pat Hewlett 33.30 BUSHY parkrun 5km Saturday 18th June 1 M Trees (Belgrave) 16.07 23 David Rowe 19.15 162 Chris Wright 22.34 175 Alex Fordham 22.45 327 Jose Scheuer 25.09 432 Peter Fordham 27.12 518 Kirsty Bangham 29.12 KINGSTON parkrun 5km Saturday 18th June 1 M Dinardo (26.2) 18.27 10 Chris Camacho 20.24 CANNON HILL parkrun 5km Saturday 18th June 1 R Biles (BRAT) 16.55 2 Sean Paynter 17.40 BEDFONT LAKES parkrun 5km Saturday 18th June Another win at Bedfont for Mark Herbert. Michelle Davies was second woman. 1 Mark Herbert 18.49 15 Michelle Davies 22.32 28 Mike White 25.17 73 Deirdre Inman 32.02 77 Cindy Croucher 33.51 BANSTEAD WOODS parkrun 5km Saturday 18th June 1 B Harrold (DMV) 17.09 68 Tom Reay 23.52 RICHMOND parkrun 5km Saturday 25th June 1 D Higgins (Highgate) 17.23 6 Ted Mockett 18.13 15 Bill Neely 19.45 16 John Ricketts 19.49 44 Phil Jackson 21.47 54 Tony Appleby 22.38 66 Chris Read 23.25 132 Tony Clark 26.08 154 Sue Camp 27.04 188 Lorna Smith 29.20 199 Deborah Blakemore 30.59 BUSHY parkrun 5km Saturday 25th June 1 J Murdoch (TVH) 16.14 7 Sean Paynter 17.48 11 James Whistler 18.18 17 Andrew Forth 18.51 183 Ian Grange 23.05 204 Jose Scheuer 23.33 414 Wally Garrod 27.32 569 John Hanscomb 32.47 KINGSTON parkrun 5km Saturday 25th June 1 K Quinn (AFD) 15.28 11 Chris Camacho 20.19 27 Alan Davidson 23.06 35 Chris Wright 24.10 59 Deirdre Inman 32.29 60 Cindy Croucher 32.29 BLACK PARK parkrun 5km Saturday 25th June A change of scene and third place for Mark Herbert. 1 W Burkitt (Maid) 18.02 3 Mark Herbert 18.39 BEDFONT LAKES parkrun 5km Saturday 25th June 1 L Davis (Ports Uni) 17.41 54 Gill Wilson 24.54 74 Kirsty Bangham 28.00 89 Danny Hobbs 32.21 AMAGER FAELLED parkrun 5km Saturday 25th June 1 A Christensen (Den) 17.54 12 Paul Sinton-Hewitt 20.25 RICHMOND parkrun 5km Saturday 2nd July Sean Paynter took second place. 1 A Lawrence (Morpeth) 16.46 2 Sean Paynter 17.42 12 Bill Neely 19.42 16 Peter Faull 19.51 41 Chris Read 21.23 42 Phil Jackson 21.30 102 Chris Wright 24.40 127 Ally Salisbury 25.46 135 Mary Hickson 26.19 138 Philippa Kitchen 26.35 147 Louise Davies 26.54 174 Rob Kitchen 28.06 212 Stacey Barber 31.03 BUSHY parkrun 5km Saturday 2nd July Good to see Nathan Mills back in action after injury. 1 Unknown 15.44 5 Nathan Mills 17.28 19 James Whistler 18.34 20 David Rowe 18.37 50 David Ready 20.18 105 Adam Wright 21.35 405 Wally Garrod 26.39 661 John Hanscomb 33.10 KINGSTON parkrun 5km Saturday 2nd July Amelie Hunton was the leading woman at Kingston.... 1 J Flood (Stragglers) 18.07 14 Chris Hunton 21.30 22 Chris Camacho 22.29 25 Amelie Hunton 22.47 27 Alan Davidson 23.02 OLD DEER PARK parkrun 5km Saturday 2nd July ...while Jo Sinton-Hewitt did the same at Old Deer Park. 1 D Tanner (Clapham) 18.17 13 Jo Sinton-Hewitt 23.34 21 Simon Burrell 25.20 31 Lorna Smith 28.59 36 Deborah Blakemore 31.36 42 Pat Hewlett 33.17 WIMBLEDON COMMON parkrun 5km Saturday 2nd July 1 R Ward (Belgrave) 16.24 4 Mark Herbert 18.13 6 Ted Mockett 18.17 BLACK PARK parkrun 5km Saturday 2nd July 1 A Stewart (Chiltern) 17.03 43 Michelle Davies 21.31 109 Mike White 24.52 WORMWOOD SCRUBS parkrun 5km Saturday 2nd July 1 L Huang (unatt) 16.36 13 Pete Warren 23.48 SUNDERLAND parkrun 5km Saturday 2nd July 1 T Field (Sunderland) 17.02 22 Paul Sinton-Hewitt 20.59 BEDFONT LAKES parkrun 5km Saturday 2nd July 1 R Brookling (unatt) 16.46 42 Gill Wilson 25.13 FINALLY... "It's not sweat... your fat cells are crying."